We’re approaching the end of August and the beginning of September – which regularly means one thing: It’s BACK TO SCHOOL time! Well, this year with the COVID-19, it’s more challenging, but nevertheless, we got a real teacher for this episode of Taking Turns: Rebecca Evanhoe. She entered the conversational AI market before chatbots boomed – back in 2012 – and today she’s an independent conversational designer, whose Skills made were featured on TV and helped multiple companies. She joined us from Brooklyn, NY to talk about different aspect or her work – and her life as a lecturer in Pratt Institute.
• HOW DID YOU GET INTO CONVERSATION DESIGN?
The fun story is that I sat next to somebody on an airplane and that’s how I got into the industry. But the longer story is I was living in Gainesville, Florida and met the CEO of a start-up. He was working on a conversational product and I was supposed to work for them for 2 weeks -just kind of helping them with writing for these interfaces – and ended up working for them for 5 years. So it was a pretty fateful airplane ride, but I’ve been a conversation designer for about 9 years now.
• how can conversational AI help the industry of remote learning, that boomed during the Coronavirus era?
We all know that a big change is coming. There are a couple of facets here. There are cases where people can actually learn things from conversational AI interactions. Whether that’s an Alexa skill, like “1-2-3 Math” where kids can actually practice their math skills; the other kind of angle is people learning how to build conversational AI through programs like BotMock or VoiceFlow, as a way to learn basics of coding and tech industry skills.
There’s also the teacher’s perspective – there are some people who are who are kind of early champions in this space, I’ve using it as a teaching tool, but I think it’s still pretty early days.
• WHAT’S THE bot or SKILL YOU’RE MOST PROUD OF?
Oh, this is a good one. The skill that I worked on that got the most visibility was the Butterball turkey Thanksgiving skill where you can learn how to cook turkeys and ask questions about how long should you cook your turkey. It got a lot of press, it was on the morning show with Kathie Lee and Hoda a few years ago, so that got the most visibility.
But the best use case was for a company that made software that helped people with fleets of trucks, manage those trucks. So like they had software that was tracking how much gas the trucks were using and what the cost was and looking for a regular patterns of normalities in the gas usage. And so we made a skill for fleet managers who are always on the go, like not in traditional offices, to be able to check in on those things with their phone through an Alexa skill. So that was the use case that I thought actually really helped a lot of people.
Previously on Taking Turns
💬 Michelle Zhou: “Humans talking to machines are brutally honest”
💬 Mary Tomasso: “Don’t just write a conversation – speak it”
💬 Michelle Parayil: “Bad copy can ruin a customer’s day”
💬 Henry Ginsburg: “Want to get in? Grab a pen and start writing”
💬 Kent Morita: “In the right context, humor can be very effective”
💬 Breakup, Pokemon and YASS!: Greg Bennett talks convo design
💬 Hillary Black: “Chatbots are like Social Media on its early days”
💬 Every Word Matters: Language lessons with Maaike Coppens
💬 Thorben Stemann: “Users asked my bot for her picture”
💬 Emiel Langeberg: “Voice Tech can be also a research tool“
• WHAT’S THE ONE THING EVERY VOICE ASSISTANT MUST HAVE, IN YOUR OPINION?
The word that our industry loves is context. It’s really important for, whether it’s a virtual assistant or a chatbot to be able to determine as much about the users’ context as possible. Whether that’s through asking questions to determine that or whether it’s through data that you can get like their location if they’re at home, if they’re in their car, if they’re on their phone versus a smart speaker because those sorts of things can really change how the interaction should go and it can indicate in many ways what a person is more likely to need.
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- What is deep context switching in Conversational AI?
- How can Conversational AI help in the fight against the Coronavirus?
- The Feedback Loop: A basic chatbot development process
• WHAT SIMILARITIES ARE THERE BETWEEN BEING A CONVERSATION DESIGNER AND BEING A TEACHER?
That’s interesting, so that’s a great question. I’d say that when you are designing a conversation and when you’re teaching, you’re looking to your users for feedback, right? You’re looking to them to get confirmation that the transaction that you’re trying to have is taking place. Also in teaching you have to consider context a lot too, like my teaching changed this past semester quite drastically when we went from the first 2 months in person to the last 3 months, completely virtual. So there’s similar context considerations as well.
• TELL US ABOUT AN AWKWARD, AMAZING OR SURPRISING THING THAT HAPPENED TO YOU DURING YOUR WORK.
Every conversation designer probably has funny stories about what I’d call “a false positive” – which is, when somebody says something and the experience turns up an answer that’s unexpected. I’ve had some of those in medical contexts: I built a bunch of virtual patient characters that you’d sort of interview, so they were basically like a chatbot on the back end, but the interaction was supposed to mimic like a nurse talking to a patient.
And we’d ask something about ‘how was your day’ and then we might have a false positive where the virtual patient somehow gets mixed up and says ‘oh, it really burns when I pee’ or something like that. Just these really awkward, very surprising ‘out of left field’ things, those would happen from time to time.
• WHAT TIPS CAN YOU GIVE TO ASPIRING CONVERSATIONAL DESIGNERS, OR TO PEOPLE WHO WANTS TO JOIN THIS PROFESSION?
One thing is – follow people on LinkedIn and Twitter who are doing stuff in the field, because our community is really good about reposting webinars, podcasts, conversations like this one. There are also a ton of classes that you can take outside of any program, some of them are free and some of them cost money, but those tend to be higher value and more Hands-On learning, so self-educating is one.
Another one is actually building a project – even if you’re making them really simple prototype in BotSociety or Botmock, which are just prototyping programs. Even if you’re making a simple one with no code and doing a little bit of user testing, you’re going to learn a lot from that. So doing something on your own is definitely important.
In terms of getting that first job? A lot of times smaller companies are looking for people who are really enthusiastic but also are able to wear a lot of hats. So I found that – I mean, that was my entry into the field – finding a start-up that was looking for someone to do a piece of the puzzle and then typically in a start-up, if you can demonstrate your value and if you’re a team player, your role can really expand – so that tends to be a good entry point for a lot of people.
• You’re teaching conversation design nowadays in Pratt Institute, how challenging is it to transfer this knowledge you have to the next generation?
It’s a pretty easy thing to get students excited about conversation design. The students that I teach are going to Pratt to get a graduate degree in UX. And so lucky for me, they’re already really interested in technology and design and so they’re super enthusiastic and very well prepared to take the course. Outside of Pratt, people are just so curious about these technologies, that it’s pretty easy to get people interested in them.
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